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Post by Efreitor Vassili Khrushchev on Oct 15, 2005 3:23:21 GMT -5
Don't forget all the other crap. MG-42's...Stukas (Ahhhhh!)......PAnzers......yeadda....yeadd.a..
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Post by Leytenánt Vladimir Ivanov on Oct 15, 2005 3:46:05 GMT -5
You can already use it, but dont expected the stock to be large. Allthough it was a high quality weapon, it was expensive to make and thus given to rare soldiers. Those that did get it however had great problem of finding proper ammunition. Ahem, sonny, when was the last time you looked at the details of the Tokarev SVT-40? Obviously a long time ago. See the ammunition for the Tokarev was 7.62mm The ammo for the Mosin-Nagant was 7.62mm The ammo for the Ppsh-41 was 7.62mm now you are telling me it would be hard to find proper ammo? are you serious? They all use the same! So now I dont see why I can't have one. I know not many were around at this point but still just hand out a few. Clips for the Tokarev where diffrent then clips for Mosin-Nagant and PPSh-41. Like I said, you can have it. But the SVT-40 wasnt very popular among Soviet troops not beacuse it wasnt a good rifle but beacuse it was considered unreliable and too complicated. The truth is, it was poor training and maintainance that caused such a reputation. Otherwise, the SVT was highly regarded by Axis troops. Heck, the Gewehr 43 is based on SVTs gas system. Another reason for low production of the SVT was beacuse it required a lot more training then your average Mosin-Nagant. Beacuse the Soviets needed reinforcements fast, the SVT wasnt exactly a rifle of their choice. Yup, quality wise the Germans were better. While they had MG-34s (and later MG-42s), until 1942 the Soviet army used the old Maxim machine guns from World War 1.
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Post by Maj. Gen. Aleksei Nikolov on Oct 15, 2005 14:16:38 GMT -5
TT-33: 7.62x25mm Mosin-Nagant: 7.62x54mm R PPSch-41: 7.62x25 mm
The TT-33 and PPSch-41 are the same caliber, but the Mosin is not.
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Post by Efreitor Vassili Khrushchev on Oct 15, 2005 16:39:57 GMT -5
Wait, so it is PPSch-41? I thought it was PPSH-41...
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Post by Mayór I. Molotov on Oct 15, 2005 16:41:35 GMT -5
Yet another Americanism...
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Post by Maj. Gen. Aleksei Nikolov on Oct 15, 2005 16:41:50 GMT -5
Either or. Same thing.
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Post by Efreitor Vassili Khrushchev on Oct 15, 2005 16:42:44 GMT -5
So then, PPSch-41's used pistol rounds, right? I heard that somewhere before...
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Post by Maj. Gen. Aleksei Nikolov on Oct 15, 2005 16:45:29 GMT -5
Yes. That is the case of virtually all SMGs in World War II: the German MP-40s used the same 9mm rounds as Lugers and P-38s, the American Thompson used the same .45ACP rounds as the Colt 1911, and the PPSh used the same 7.62mm round as the TT-33. The only exception is the British - their standard Webley revolver fired .38 but the Sten fired 9mm.
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Post by Efreitor Vassili Khrushchev on Oct 15, 2005 16:51:17 GMT -5
Wow. I never knew that.....about the other SMG's also using pistol rounds....
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Post by Leytenánt Vladimir Ivanov on Oct 15, 2005 17:33:08 GMT -5
TT-33: 7.62x25mm Mosin-Nagant: 7.62x54mm R PPSch-41: 7.62x25 mm The TT-33 and PPSch-41 are the same caliber, but the Mosin is not. Good point. But we were talking about the SVT (which used 7.62x54mm R btw).
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Post by Efreitor Vladimir Tereshkov on Oct 15, 2005 20:30:07 GMT -5
Yeah wrong Tokarev. Anyway the rounds for the Mosin could easily be put into SVT-40 magazines by hand. That is possible.
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Post by Leytenánt Vladimir Ivanov on Oct 16, 2005 16:28:25 GMT -5
Yeah wrong Tokarev. Anyway the rounds for the Mosin could easily be put into SVT-40 magazines by hand. That is possible. Possible but not a very handy solution. If you run out of ammo in the middle of combat, you wont exactly have time to fill a magazine.
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Post by Efreitor Vladimir Tereshkov on Oct 16, 2005 19:46:18 GMT -5
fill up a few mags before going into combat and you should be ok.
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Post by Leytenánt Vladimir Ivanov on Oct 17, 2005 4:10:03 GMT -5
fill up a few mags before going into combat and you should be ok. You do realise how much ammunition is wasted in battles dont you? Also, clips and magazines can easily be lost in the heat of battle. If your in the middle of a fight and your magazine runs out, you wont go and pick it up. No, you will reload with a new one and countinue the fight. And if your forced to retreat or get to concentrated on the fight, you lose those magazines for good.
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